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I was searching for a real good feature rich comment system for Wordpress, I used Disqus a few times and may still not know the whole list on features and why it's so popular. Would features like this be possible as a plugin? Without outsourcing comments, having them inside WordPress? Native comments enhanced in a way that it ends up like being something close to Disqus?

I am trying to understand if if it's just a commercial reason this services exist and want us to give them our comments or if there is a technical reason/benefit from this as well.

Questions:

  1. Does the WordPress Disqus plugin actually store the comments inside your WordPress the classic way and just sync them with Disqus or are they really all just on Disqus.
  2. Whats do these services actually do that make them so extremely popular? Is it just this register, paste js and go easiness?
  3. Comment voting - we can do that with plugin's right?
  4. Login with google, facebook ... - Can we do that with plug-ins? Do you need some contract to do so? What about just using openid isn't that enough?
  5. What else? Whats so unique to them that plugins don't have? Are they really that complicated from a programming standpoint?
  6. What plugins come closest to the features Disqus has?
  7. Why outsource the comments in the first place? I searched for an alternative and there is one called Juvia but it also outsources the comments and it uses rails, since i want to host wordpress most likely on a WordPress specialized host it seems to be not a great idea to have another server with rails just for comments.

Opinions why I think services like Disqus are bad (just to clarify because someone will ask anyway. No discussion please, not allowed on this site + I don't want to debate anyway!)

  1. The idea of giving my comments to some other company is stupid. They may censor comments about things they think are illegal, or things they are illegal in some countries, thinks are against their commercial partners or whatever they like, they abuse my comments for advertising, they own my comments and not the kind of Person who agrees to give his rights away.
  2. The advertising inside Disqus is extremely annoying. I am a adblock plus user and used to only see 0.5% of ads on the web, the easylist filters do not block this Disqus block you can close. I don't want my users who do not use Adblock to see ads anyway.
  3. It requires Javascript and people who disable it(yes they do exist) will not see comments. Comments enhanced with JavaScript(Graceful Degradation) are totally fine with for me.
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First, please each of you people who are James Mitch: Get your own account (I read your profile description). Second, plugin recommendations are off topic - see the faq. Thank you. –  kaiser Mar 4 '13 at 22:38
    
@kaiser so if it is off topic, it has to be close voted –  Eugene Manuilov Mar 5 '13 at 9:55
    
@EugeneManuilov I normally tend to give people some time to rework their question before I close vote. I'm not too trigger happy with close votes and the question itself shows a lot of thoughts upfront. –  kaiser Mar 5 '13 at 10:23
    
@kaiser, yes i put a lot of thoughts into this and i saw some things and SO(main) where questions like this got resurrected or something (even if against the rules) and got a lot of votes later over the years. I think this is a question where the community can profit from. It's more about if this features are possible with a plugin but i can't deny that I of course look for a plugin. Maybe some exception can be made? If not feel free to delete the parts out where i ask for a plugin,or inform me that i have to do it, but please don't close. –  James Mitch Mar 5 '13 at 18:51
    
Anything else that I would need to "rework" besides the ask for a plugin? –  James Mitch Mar 5 '13 at 18:52
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  1. I believe it only stores comments on Disqus's servers.

  2. They've spent a lot of money on developing a system that looks good and works well with many different login providers. (it's the federation with different logins that is the pain to develop and test thoroughly.)

  3. Everything that can be done with Disqus afaik can also be done in a WordPress plugin which stores native WordPress comments. - Comments in WordPress are just another post type like posts, pages or miscellaneous custom types. As such they support the full gamut of WordPress features such as post_meta.

  4. It requires a lot of time to develop the full feature-set and test it thoroughly. As I've already said I believe the entire featureset can be implemented in WordPress as a plugin.

  5. I don't know.

  6. There are loads of comments plugins available. some free/gpl and some pay-ware/gpl. Each has it's own design goal and community. Select the one that you feel best fits your requirements, develop (or pay someone to develop) a bespoke solution specific to your needs, or wait until someone builds one that you like.

  7. Outsourcing is popular because it "just works", is highly available with comprehensive backups, and requires very minimal effort on the site owner/developer's part to implement (as you stated, it is just a small snippet of javascript to add to the template/html output).

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I read about and seen commentluv, not tested it yet it has some nice features but I don't know if this is really what I am looking for. Regarding your answer nothing in there I did not knew already. Still looking for a plugin that comes close to disqus as a reference because recommendations are forbidden ;) –  James Mitch Mar 20 '13 at 2:05
    
I don't think disqus looks good, in fact I am annoyed of it. Not sure it has no customize options or if you can just overwrite the CSS but nobody is doing it and comments look the same on every blog. –  James Mitch Mar 20 '13 at 2:07
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There is nothing contained within the 3rd party comment plugins that cannot be custom designed/developed directly on your Wordpress website.

These comment plugins are often used for ease and speed offering additional incentives to commenter's, believe it or not, there are many of us that really dislike plugins such as these.

You could purely just extend the existing default Wordpress comment system to include features that you wish. Integration with social sites requires usage of their publicly available API. With CSS / jQuery, you could display hover tooltips displaying stats linking through to extended user profiles in Wordpress and implement a thumbs up/down for individual comments. There isn't a huge amount of work there really but you'd have to be competent developing on the Wordpress platform.

There are many comment plugins, most of them I dislike from a personal perspective. They all contain similar features so not really sure how to go about comparing or recommending one over another. Livefyre is one of my preferences if I do opt for a plugin to handle comments.

For most however, the default comment system provided as is within a CMS's core, is adequate for its intentions, allowing readers to post comments...

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Are you f*ing kidding me? Livefyre? Isn't that the same crap I try to avoid, just with a different name? –  James Mitch Mar 26 '13 at 14:36
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Well they're all like that... That's why I said if I opt to use one. My ideal preference would be is that I would just extend the core comment system. It seems to me that you're asking for alternatives to the likes of Disqus but at the same time, you don't want all the crap that comes with it. Either look for a slimline comment plugin that contains the features you want or extend the core one. –  zigojacko Mar 26 '13 at 14:58
    
"Opt for a plugin to handle comments" is exactly what I wan't! You opt for a 3rd party service and a their API thats what I don't want obv. So don't call it a plugin that "handles comments" when it's almost the opposite - don't mention it at all even better! How about you tell me a plugins name with some feature that I can look into (not commentluv) instead of putting false/misleading/exact-the-opposite-I-look-for/ stuff in here? –  James Mitch Mar 26 '13 at 15:46
    
I answered your question (yes, it is possible)... So, you're wanting a specific recommendation after all - yet don't elaborate on specifically what you expect your comment plugin to do. sigh 1stwebdesigner.com/wordpress/… –  zigojacko Mar 26 '13 at 16:47
    
Of course I got it by now that it's possible and It was obv. –  James Mitch Mar 26 '13 at 17:22
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